Hijo de Arroz con Pollo Posted May 31, 2008 Report Share Posted May 31, 2008 (edited) Scientists have discovered what may be ice that was exposed when soil was blown away as NASA's Phoenix spacecraft landed on Mars last Sunday, May 25. The possible ice appears in an image the robotic arm camera took underneath the lander, near a footpad. Full article: ScienceDaily B4N In Spanish: http://www.escuadron69.net/v20/foro/index....mp;#entry324704 Edited May 31, 2008 by QazBomber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Darkness Posted May 31, 2008 Report Share Posted May 31, 2008 What I cannot understand is ice on mars surface, the pressure is too low to maintain the mollecular structure. Maybe it´s dry ice not water. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amalahama Posted May 31, 2008 Report Share Posted May 31, 2008 What I cannot understand is ice on mars surface, the pressure is too low to maintain the mollecular structure. Maybe it´s dry ice not water. At -80ºC, I think water's molecular covalent bond is strong enough for maintain the water in a solid state - only guessing. Regards!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koloss Posted May 31, 2008 Report Share Posted May 31, 2008 See that. I don't know alot of science, but it seems ice. Rewards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Darkness Posted May 31, 2008 Report Share Posted May 31, 2008 Yeah that may be, I almost forgot that it is cold outside in the space... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koloss Posted May 31, 2008 Report Share Posted May 31, 2008 But I think is ice of CO2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drakko Posted May 31, 2008 Report Share Posted May 31, 2008 Oh my Good!!! that´s really??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Darkness Posted May 31, 2008 Report Share Posted May 31, 2008 But I think is ice of CO2. That´s what I said, it´s called "dry ice". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amalahama Posted May 31, 2008 Report Share Posted May 31, 2008 Oh my Good!!! that´s really??? Yes, it is REAL. At least *something* proved what the whole scientific community had already suspected - the water presence in Mars poles. (The first verb is written in past tense because I'm talking about something in the past (near past, really), although in Spanish we usually write it in present perfect. The same with the second verb - they suspected for years until that moment, so it should be written in past perfect. - please, correct me if I have some mistake on this) Regards!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drakko Posted May 31, 2008 Report Share Posted May 31, 2008 Thanks for reply Amalahama. My english nedds some practice... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hijo de Arroz con Pollo Posted May 31, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 31, 2008 At least *something* proved what the whole scientific community have already suspected - the water presence in Mars poles. (The first verb is written in past tense because I'm talking about something in the past (near past, really), although in Spanish we usually write it in present perfect. The same with the second verb - they suspected for years until now, so it should be written in present perfect, not past perfect. - please, correct me if I have some mistake on this) I would use the first verb in present simple tense, because is not an action, it is a fact. :unsure: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amalahama Posted May 31, 2008 Report Share Posted May 31, 2008 I would use the first verb in present simple tense, because is not an action, it is a fact. :unsure: What possibility is better for you? *Cristóbal Colon discover America *Cristóbal Colon discovered America Regards!! - You use present to explain actions you usually do in your monotony life really :P or absolute/scientific trues (Is there anything absolutely true in this life? :unsure: ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TzT Posted May 31, 2008 Report Share Posted May 31, 2008 Is there anything absolutely true in this life? :unsure: ) Yes, of course: It's absolutely true that anything it's true... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
misha Posted May 31, 2008 Report Share Posted May 31, 2008 ohh mai gad dis is incredibol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ave Posted May 31, 2008 Report Share Posted May 31, 2008 mai carr si se inglis y no lo sabia coyons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hijo de Arroz con Pollo Posted May 31, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 31, 2008 I would use the first verb in present simple tense, because is not an action, it is a fact. :unsure: What possibility is better for you? *Cristóbal Colon discover America *Cristóbal Colon discovered America Regards!! - You use present to explain actions you usually do in your monotony life really :P or absolute/scientific trues (Is there anything absolutely true in this life? :unsure: ) I'm not really sure yet... :unsure: So you'd say "This photo proved the existence of aliens". But what about "This photo proves the existence of aliens". The photo will always prove the existence of aliens. I'd use the first if I said when the existence was proved. :unsure: :unsure: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amalahama Posted May 31, 2008 Report Share Posted May 31, 2008 I would use the first verb in present simple tense, because is not an action, it is a fact. :unsure: What possibility is better for you? *Cristóbal Colon discover America *Cristóbal Colon discovered America Regards!! - You use present to explain actions you usually do in your monotony life really :P or absolute/scientific trues (Is there anything absolutely true in this life? :unsure: ) I'm not really sure yet... :unsure: So you'd say "This photo proved the existence of aliens". But what about "This photo proves the existence of aliens". The photo will always prove the existence of aliens. I'd use the first if I said when the existence was proved. :unsure: :unsure: It depends. If you are in the JPL (Houston), waiting for pictures; when suddenly an alien picture appears into the computer screen, then you say 'This photo proves the existence of aliens' . I said scientific had a cue about water existance, so is a past fact, because scientific looked it first, before me. Anyway, I've read that English people don't use present tense very much, at least not like Spanish people. Regards!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hijo de Arroz con Pollo Posted May 31, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 31, 2008 I would use the first verb in present simple tense, because is not an action, it is a fact. :unsure: What possibility is better for you? *Cristóbal Colon discover America *Cristóbal Colon discovered America Regards!! - You use present to explain actions you usually do in your monotony life really :P or absolute/scientific trues (Is there anything absolutely true in this life? :unsure: ) I'm not really sure yet... :unsure: So you'd say "This photo proved the existence of aliens". But what about "This photo proves the existence of aliens". The photo will always prove the existence of aliens. I'd use the first if I said when the existence was proved. :unsure: :unsure: It depends. If you are in the JPL (Houston), waiting for pictures; when suddenly an alien picture appears into the computer screen, then you say 'This photo proves the existence of aliens' . I said scientific had a cue about water existance, so is a past fact, because scientific looked it first, before me. You're teacher say to you, pointing out the photo on your book: "This photo proves the existence of aliens". :unsure: I do know English people don't speak like us, but... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amalahama Posted May 31, 2008 Report Share Posted May 31, 2008 You're teacher say to you, pointing out the photo on your book: "This photo proves the existence of aliens". :unsure: That isn't correct - even it isn't correct in Spanish - unless your teacher was a schizophrenic woman with conspiracy theories in her head . If the picture was taken some month ago - you have to talk about that using past tense. Maybe you can talk about that in Spanish in present tense if you saw the picture in the yesterday newspaper, but in English I think you have to talk about a past fact always in past. Anyway, you could use present perfect if the Mars probe haven't discovered anything relevant yet, so it is proving the water existence. But I think present simple tense is not correct. Regards!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDTang Posted June 3, 2008 Report Share Posted June 3, 2008 You are both loosing your head. (traducción: se os va la pinza) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hijo de Arroz con Pollo Posted June 3, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 3, 2008 You are both loosing your head. (traducción: se os va la pinza) Both of you are losing your head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TzT Posted June 3, 2008 Report Share Posted June 3, 2008 You are both loosing your head. (traducción: se os va la pinza) Both of you are losing your head. fucking head Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galahad78 Posted June 3, 2008 Report Share Posted June 3, 2008 (edited) I agree with Qazbomber. It should be "This picture proves the existence of water-aliens-or-whatever in Mars" instead of "This picture proved that same fact". Why? That past tense implies that the picture proved that fact...and that's it. The present simple, on the other hand, implies a continuity, that is, this picture proved that fact, and it still does, and it will still do it. I do not know if I explain myself Edited June 3, 2008 by Galahad78 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amalahama Posted June 3, 2008 Report Share Posted June 3, 2008 I agree with Qazbomber. It should be "This picture proves the existence of water-aliens-or-whatever in Mars" instead of "This picture proved that same fact". Why? That past tense implies that the picture proved that fact...and that's it. The present simple, on the other hand, implies a continuity, that is, this picture proved that fact, and it still does, and it will still do it. I do not know if I explain myself So, you say: "Colon discover America", because he discovered it 500 years ago and he still is the discoverer, isn't it? <_< Regards!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jorgeid Posted June 3, 2008 Report Share Posted June 3, 2008 Sorry, but, this thread is about ice on mars or about verbal forms? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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