ELM Posted March 1, 2012 Report Share Posted March 1, 2012 ande vaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa con esa caraaaaa http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuipnDc7dms&feature=related Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAL Posted March 1, 2012 Report Share Posted March 1, 2012 (edited) Eres un incrédulo ¿Es que no has visto el trailer de "Red Tails"? . Cuando vi esa serie pensé lo mismo que tu, después viendo el trailer de "Red Tails" me dije "yo eso lo he visto en otro sitio" y mira tu donde fue. Edited March 1, 2012 by JAL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ELM Posted March 1, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 1, 2012 eso es un cheto tocame los kojones mariloles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unghaar Posted March 1, 2012 Report Share Posted March 1, 2012 Coññió! pero si es la famosa "Cobra de Richard Candelaria"!! maniobra de obligado aprendizaje para combatir con alemanes que solo pueden ir recto con sus mielda de habionetas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayonant Posted March 1, 2012 Report Share Posted March 1, 2012 Nada eso se ha comentado hac tiempo también en el SG1, ninguno nos lo creemos, lo que pasa es que Dogfights tiene el tinte americano, entiendase "somos los mejores" lo más probable es que forzara mucho , le entro en barrena y tuvo un tiro de suerte. Esto se nota porque cuando el lo narra,lo cuenta distinto (robado de Lud del SG1): Así lo cuenta él mismo: April 7th' date=' 1945 proved different. Candelaria had been promoted to lead Yellow Section. As he was taxiing out, he felt a bumping sensation and then heard the tower say his P-51 had a flat tail wheel. But a quick crew chief changed the wheel while Candelaria sat in the plane. He was able to take off just as the rest of the Squadron climbed out, and he got to the rendezvous point at the German/Belgian border before the rest of his fighters. He soon found the box of B-24 bombers he was to be escorting, and shortly thereafter spotted two Me-262s. He announced the threat to the B-24s and flew head-on toward the Germans "Instead of meeting me head-on they just lowered their noses and went below me. Since they were coming underneath me I dropped the external tanks, hoping that maybe I’ll hit one, who knows. I didn’t hit them, but it made them veer and they veered away from the bombers and made a big slow turn. "I had been above them, picked up a lot of speed was close to 500 miles an hour. They made this wide turn and I was able to cut them off at the pass. As I got closer to them, they realized I was getting a little too close and they started to straighten out to go alongside the bomber stream. "I was able to line up on one of them and fire. Being an old bird shooter, and a pretty good skeet shooter, I raised the sight slightly, so I’d be able to hit them as they were going away from me. Sure enough, I hit the lead plane in the cockpit and the right engine and the right engine started throwing out black smoke. "They were still going away from me, and as I started to gain on him he rolled over slowly and then went straight down. He was still going straight down and I went after him." Candelaria says his Mustang began porpoising as it dived, forcing him to pull back the throttle and break off his pursuit. The last he saw of the Me-262 it was still heading straight down, below the undercast at 6000 feet. "I didn’t see the pilot get out. I didn’t see the airplane explode. For all I knew, I got him, or maybe I didn’t. Maybe he was able to pull out." About that time, Candelaria saw glowing tennis balls racing past him from behind. He broke hard left, away from the bombers and looked in the mirror to see the other Me-262’s nose lit up like "a neon sign", blasting 30mm cannon shells at him. After the break, the German also broke in the same direction as the first jet, leaving Candelaria no chance to pursue. When the P-51 pilot pulled around he saw green flares, a sign that the bombers were under imminent attack. Climbing, he soon spotted the threat - - a gaggle of a dozen Bf -109s flying formation behind a leader in another 109 painted bright yellow from the spinner to the windscreen. "I picked him. That was a mistake. I should have known that anyone who wants to be seen that much must be an old veteran. And boy, it was like having a tiger by the tail. This guy was good. "Nobody had ever beaten me in a fight. Y’know sham fights between friendly airplanes or anything else. Nobody had been able to shake me. This guy shook me, kicked me, turned me every way but loose. In a series of turns, Candelaria kept trying to get a lead on the 109, but it escaped, headed toward the bombers and knocked out an engine on one of the B-24s before the P-51 caught up with him. "Do you think I could hit him? Uh-uh. He could play the fiddle, make it dance, do everything else with that 109. At some points when we were trying to get on each other’s tail, we were canopy to canopy, even vertically." Candelaria says it seemed they had been fighting for a half an hour or so, when it was probably only a minute or two. He finally hit the 109 with bullets, and the Messerschmitt began streaming coolant. Another hit and it was weaving and then the engine caught fire. The 109 went down, the canopy came off and Candelaria watched as the pilot got out, his parachute blossoming as the pilot dropped into the woods. There were still a dozen enemy aircraft nearby. One of them made a mistake by attacking too fast, sliding past the P-51 as Candelaria retarded his throttle. "I lined up on him, hit him, and he exploded. At about that time I tried to line up another one. Now this time there were glowing golf balls, 20 millimeters, coming from the nose of the Me-109. So I do a barrel roll and another fellow slides past me and I was able to hit him. "And just about the time I think I’m really going to give him a good burst, there’s two more over here… several here… everywhere I look there are 109s. I was in a target-rich environment for a change. Candelaria skidded his P-51 as another enemy fighter passed him. He squeezed the trigger but didn’t know if he hit the plane. Right behind him more glowing golf balls streamed by, so he barrel-rolled and a 109 slid past him. That led to the P-51 and the 109 going into a Lufbury circle, with Candelaria sliding up and down to try to get the nose of his P-51 on-target and other Me 109s joining into the turning, descending circle of planes. "I don’t think I hit the first one, but the second one I did hit, and he started to try to out-turn me. As he started to turn, I kept gaining on him and I could see him start to wobble. Just as I pressed the trigger, I know I didn’t hit him, but he cartwheeled right down on the ground. The other members of Candelaria’s flight were on the radio and looking for him, helped when they saw the explosion of one 109 and the last 109 hitting the ground. As the P-51s hurtled down, the Luftwaffe fighters scattered into the clouds. Candelaria and his comrades searched the ground, found the shattered remains of four Me-109s in the area, and watched the bombers drop their payload on the target. Then, they started for home, with George Williams flying on the new ace’s wing. "Of the victories that come about, many of them come because of luck. Because if you don’t have a chance to encounter the enemy over the target, you’re not going to get a kill." As Candelaria said to a friend of his who became a millionaire in the oil industry, "you have to be at the right place at the right time. And one more small item, you have to do the right thing."[/quote'] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
momos21 Posted March 1, 2012 Report Share Posted March 1, 2012 jajaja cierto en red tails en una escena un aleman hace un movimiento similar girando de pronto cuando le persiguen ahora pregunto yo, esa maniobra es cierta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unghaar Posted March 1, 2012 Report Share Posted March 1, 2012 No recuerdo bien la historia que leí en un libro que tampoco recuerdo (plis "historiantes"), pero cuando los 262 empezaron a aparecer por los cielos los yankis se cagaron encima pero bien cagaos. El asunto es que no había nadie que les tosiera a los 262, como es obvio, y en esas fechas todavía no los perseguían hasta sus bases. Pues hubo un tipo al que llamaron "killer", que impotente viendo las maniobras de b&z de los 262 esperó delante de una formación de bombarderos, hizo una maniobra que le dejó el morro apuntando a un 262 que terminaba de salir de su ataque (no se sabe si hizo así la maniobra o se lo inventó después de una pérdida), ametrallando al piloto y matándolo. Creo que se cita como el primer derribo de un 262 en combate aire-aire, fruto de posiblemente más de una casualidad. O esto o lo que cita Rayo. De todos modos tanto la maniobra que sale en este vídeo como la de Red Tails es un churro, pero bueno para gustos y sueños los de los yankis... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryouga Posted March 1, 2012 Report Share Posted March 1, 2012 Pues tampoco es una maniobra tan dificil , cuando ves el 109 por el retrovisor izquierdo (el P51 tenia dos retrovisores?! ) cortas gas ,tiras de freno de mano y pedal izquierdo al fondo. Por algo lo llamaban "el cadillac del aire" XD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unghaar Posted March 1, 2012 Report Share Posted March 1, 2012 Sí, pero ese modelo no lleva diferencial autoblocante y si hace eso que dices se mete un trompo de cuidao...yo diría que el vídeo está trucado XD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandokito Posted March 1, 2012 Report Share Posted March 1, 2012 lo que pasa es que tenía la beta del condensador de fluzo, y retrocede en el tiempo. unos segundos para colimarlo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jorgeid Posted March 1, 2012 Report Share Posted March 1, 2012 igualito lo que explica de lo que se va, vamos... además, que coño hace un 109 en giros? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dex815 Posted March 1, 2012 Report Share Posted March 1, 2012 Eso es un lagazo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McField Posted March 1, 2012 Report Share Posted March 1, 2012 Pues yo creo que tanto esta maniobra como la de los Red Tails es una caida de ala, pero que está mal representada por los que han hecho el vídeo, que serán muy buenos haciendo animaciones, pero no tienen ni puta idea de como vuelan los aviones. Es la maniobra fisicamente posible más cercana a ese giro a lo matrix. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unghaar Posted March 2, 2012 Report Share Posted March 2, 2012 Pues yo creo que tanto esta maniobra como la de los Red Tails es una caida de ala, pero que está mal representada por los que han hecho el vídeo, que serán muy buenos haciendo animaciones, pero no tienen ni puta idea de como vuelan los aviones. Es la maniobra fisicamente posible más cercana a ese giro a lo matrix. Estos documentales están hecho para los que cambian de canal el domingo por la tarde cuando se duerme la mujer y pueden quitar la película pedorra que se ha puesto para sobarse.Opinión con todos mis respetos para el gran público, que es libre de entretenerse con lo que le dé la gana, claro. Lo que pasa es que lo vemos frikis como nosotros y nos descojonamos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alado Posted March 2, 2012 Report Share Posted March 2, 2012 los del canal de historia cada día mas cachondos, al pilto lo único que le pasó, fue que cuando vió al aleman encima se cagó, le pegó un tironazo a la palanca, junto con un pisoton al timón, que hizo que el avión le diera un hachazo, antes de entrar en pérdida, con el mismo susto que tenía el tío apreto to lo que tuvo al alcance de sus manos, y por puta casualidad disparó las armas y por mucha mas casualidad, una bala paro el motor del bf, luego vienen estos y entre su imaginación y la del viejecete, hacen la maniobra lo mas natural del mundo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jorgeid Posted March 2, 2012 Report Share Posted March 2, 2012 los del canal de historia cada día mas cachondos, al pilto lo único que le pasó, fue que cuando vió al aleman encima se cagó, le pegó un tironazo a la palanca, junto con un pisoton al timón, que hizo que el avión le diera un hachazo, antes de entrar en pérdida, con el mismo susto que tenía el tío apreto to lo que tuvo al alcance de sus manos, y por puta casualidad disparó las armas y por mucha mas casualidad, una bala paro el motor del bf, luego vienen estos y entre su imaginación y la del viejecete, hacen la maniobra lo mas natural del mundo vamos, ni más ni menos... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
=WarDog= Posted March 3, 2012 Report Share Posted March 3, 2012 ahora ya se quien invento la Cobra maneuver LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandokito Posted March 3, 2012 Report Share Posted March 3, 2012 ahora ya se quien invento la Cobra maneuver LOL Si, y ahora ya tengo claro de donde sacan el modelo de vuelo los del il2 COD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vencejo Posted March 3, 2012 Report Share Posted March 3, 2012 Pues esa maniobra se podía hacer, y se hacía según fuente fidedigna, con el Dr I de la primera guerra mundial. Luego el avión caía como una piedra, claro, pero se podía hacer. Ahora, pretender que hizo lo mismo con un mustang... ejem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Espanto Posted March 3, 2012 Report Share Posted March 3, 2012 (edited) Bahh, incrédulos: eso ya lo hacía yo hace años con mi corbeta clase Dreadnought de la Earth Commonwealth Navy en I-War, y encima con 8520 toneladas (min 2:20): Bueno, es cierto, no había gravedad y estaba en el vacío, ¡¡¡PERO SE PUEDE HACER!!! :icon_mrgreen: Edited March 3, 2012 by Espanto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pepin1234 Posted March 4, 2012 Report Share Posted March 4, 2012 (edited) Este es el tipico Estadounidense, mentiroso y arrogante. Mas atrás vienen los grandes medios y reproducen sus mentiras. Si le dio a un alerón y logro derribar al Bf. El dice que sus disparos hicieron blanco en el corazón del piloto, la sangre corría, el avión caía etc etc... la pamplina de siempre que se vienen repitiendo desde la derrota de los nazis. Lo mismo con la gran mentira que ellos son los grades libertadores de Europa. Este viejo sabe bien claro que la gran mayoría de los pilotos Alemanes a los que se enfrentaron eran pilotos inexpertos. Que el grueso de las tropas alemanas, fueron trasladados al frente Soviético etc etc etc... AAA otra cosa. Según ellos, los P-51 tambien son los mejores cazas de la 2°GM Edited March 4, 2012 by pepin1234 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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