DCS: WW2 Europe 1944

Silver_Dragon · September 1, 2013

RRG Studios anuncia su proyecto: DCS WWII: Europe 1944

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?p=1855052#post1855052

RRG Studios announces an upcoming Kickstarter campaign for DCS WWII: Europe 1944, a start of an exciting new flight simulation series.

MOSCOW, Russia – September 1, 2013 - Legendary flight simulation designers Ilya Shevchenko, Igor Tishin, and Matt Wagner are excited to announce an upcoming Kickstarter campaign for a new WWII flight simulation being developed for the PC. DCS WWII: Europe 1944 is the start of an exciting new flight simulation series. Built by industry veterans at RRG Studios with the same approach that made famous flight sims of the past great, and in partnership with the experts at the Fighter Collection and Eagle Dynamics, the simulation aims to satisfy seasoned aces as well as attract new pilots to the genre.

DCS WWII: Europe 1944 will take the player to the skies over Western Europe at the height of WWII in 1944. Players will attack enemy ground vehicles in the famous P-47 Thunderbolt in the Battle of Falaise, or intercept waves of B-17 Flying Fortresses in their Messerschmitt Bf.109; or attempt to fend off incredible new Me.262 jet fighters in their suddenly slow and obsolete propeller-driven Spitfires.

With successful Kickstarter funding of stretch goals, the project will include more famous historical aircraft, such as the Lockheed P-38, de Havilland Mosquito, Messerschmitt Me.262, and even a flyable version of the Boeing B-17.

The simulation is based on the award-winning DCS engine used in such stellar products as DCS: P-51D Mustang and DCS: A-10C Warthog. DCS WWII: Europe 1944 will boast an all-new EDGE landscape engine, as well as many new and updated features.

As all simulations in the DCS line, DCS WWII titles will boast detailed recreations of famous WWII aircraft and meticulous modeling of individual aircraft systems. Combat missions over a huge game world painstakingly recreated from period maps will offer rich single-player experience recreating famous battles from both sides.

DCS WWII will also ship with advanced AI that recreates historical tactics and models pilots of varying skill levels, from bumbling rookies to merciless aces. Other features such as the dynamic weather and seasons, comprehensive training, robust multiplayer , a powerful mission and campaign editor, as well as a mission replay system, pilot log book, and other features will all add up to incredible player experience.

“With unparalleled attention to detail, our developers have decades of experience with aerial combat simulations,” said Ilya Shevchenko of RRG Studios. “We are famous for our ability to make our games fun while maintaining unwavering dedication to historical realism. We can do it because the relatively simple aircraft of the WWII era do not require extensive training, and nimble controls and simple weapons naturally lead to fast-paced close-quarters battles.“

“We want to open a new page in WWII combat simulations,” said Matt Wagner of Eagle Dynamics. “At the same time we strive to recapture everything that made the flight simulations of the past great, starting with a thick spiral-bound manual and comprehensive training, and ending with great free-for-all multiplayer. We want to keep creating the content that we enjoy creating and that our fans enjoy playing for years to come.”

The team intends for DCS WWII: Europe 1944 to act as the forerunner of a long-running DCS WWII simulation series covering all theaters of WWII, and expanding into other nearby conflicts, such as the Korean War.

In addition to industry-leading attention to detail, incredible graphics, unparalleled flight dynamics, and award-winning multiplayer, DCS WWII: Europe 1944 will also shop with an innovative distribution model. As the last major release in the DCS line, DCS World, DCS WWII will also be distributed via a free-to-play model. The full-featured core game will be available as a free download, allowing anyone to check out the game and its features. Additional modules containing new aircraft or new gameplay areas will be available as a separate purchase.

The free-to-play model allows a wider audience access the core game by, in essence, offering a free demo that allows anyone to try the game before they buy it. At the same time, the model accurately reflects immense development costs attached to historically accurate study sims.

The Kickstarter campaign for the title will launch on September 5th.

About RRG Studios

RRG Studios brings over 10 years of experience with WWII flight simulations to the table. Staffed with flight sim veterans that worked on the greatest WWII flight sim series of the 21st century, we literally wrote the book on the new generation of flight sims.

About Eagle Dynamics

Eagle Dynamics is the studio responsible for the biggest modern aviation sims of the past twenty years. In-house experts have industry-best experience with physics, avionics, ballistics, and all other components that go into making a successful flight simulation. Eagle Dynamics continues to redefine the genre and continuously sets the bar high with each new release.

About the Fighter Collection

The Fighter Collection is the company that manages Eagle Dynamics. It is based in Cambridge, England, and it operates Europe’s largest fleet of airworthy WWII aircraft. The Fighter Collection runs the annual Flying Legends airshow, giving us unprecedented access to the aircraft we simulate.

Hellrequiem · September 1, 2013

Me pregunto si de verdad tendrá servidor dedicado...

Silver_Dragon · September 1, 2013

RRG no tiene que ver con el servidor dedicado. Ellos usan el motor común, su trabajo se centrará en el teatro (con EDGE), objetos IA, los addons (a ver que nos cuentan el dia cinco), y alguna cosa mas. El resto del trabajo como el servidor dedicado y las mejoras de EDGE sigue siendo trabajo de ED. En este se integrará el P-51D y el Fw-190D-9 de este ultimo (y si algun dia llega Kinney y realiza su "proyecto" de addons para la WW2)

Silver_Dragon · September 1, 2013

http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=1855106&postcount=521

Originally Posted by Blaze View Post

Re-read it.

DCS World is the core for all the DCS modules at the current moment. DCS: WWII will be another standalone core with the WWII modules and terrain. However, the content for both could be ported to each one like Luthier said. You could bring a B-17 over to DCSW or put an A-10 into DCSWWII if you so wished.

Correct

http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=1855109&postcount=523

Originally Posted by -=MadCat=- View Post

So all the high detailed additions to DCS:WWII will still be available to plug into DCS:W if one so desires.

Sounds great, as I shortly wondered if the Dora might be the last WWII addition we see to DCS:W.

Great times lie ahead

Greetings

MadCat

Correct

http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=1855126&postcount=532

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Originally Posted by sobek View Post

So what will then actually be the difference between WWII and World?

Time period. We figured it'd be a little weird to have A-10C strafing Panzers over Calais, or B-17s bombing modern-day Crimea.

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Originally Posted by Darkmater View Post

Yeah I thought the whole idea of world was to have one platform, that continually builds upon itself. Worlds not that old and already its being cut into parts and pieces.

Hopefully, AI advances and graphic advances are shared. Again the pure benefit of a single platform is the common advancement of all things connected to it.

It is a shared platform. There really isn't two separate branches of it from a development point of view, just end-user.

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Originally Posted by DavidRed View Post

cant wait for the kickstarter video...does a ETA already exist?

September 5th. We have a whole series of videos, interviews, etc.

http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=1855144&postcount=540

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheLung View Post

Can't wait for more info on the initial WWII terrain. One big map? Or a bunch of mid sized maps? Either way, awesome!

We'll see how well we do with kickstarter. Core game will have one large Normandy terrain. If we hit stretch goals, we'll have more maps.

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inally Posted by cichlidfan View Post

I would imagine that will depend on the success of the Kickstarter.

Right. Less than a year from now, or a bit more time if we hit stretch goals.

**Angel101** · September 1, 2013

Otros que vienen buscando la pasta por delante

Silver_Dragon · September 1, 2013

http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=1855435&postcount=642

Originally Posted by Double_D View Post

One question I think this might be sort of important..will we be allowed to place runways and camps into the mission editor..of our choice..meaning place remote airfields..and so on..let's say in my case allow to insert a " Ramitelli " airbase in Italy...just wondering...

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We're not planning any changes to the mission editor for DCS WWII specifically.

Quote: Originally Posted by Silver_Dragon View Post

Other question. That product wil have a "free" base with DCS: World or need paid for them with the new theater?

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The free base for DCS WWII will contain several flyable aircraft. The exact set depends on whether we hit Kickstarter stretch goals.

Originally Posted by heinkill View Post

1. Is the kickstarter funding needed to fund the basic game, or just the extended content?

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We can probably finish the basic game without the kickstarter, but it'll be a little less of everything, especially on the ground.

Basic kickstarter funding we're looking for will allow us to comfortably do everything we wish to do and have all the time that we need, which is the luxury I personally have never had in my entire career.

Originally Posted by heinkill View Post

2. What will be included in the free to pay version, versus the paid content?

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Depends on stretch goals. We'll have the complete list published on the 5th.

Originally Posted by heinkill View Post

3. The emphasis on online play is clear, and the AI ambition also sounds encouraging, will the game feature the usual high quality DCS campaign style and structure? Will there be a campaign for each aircraft, or one campaign in which the user can fly multiple aircraft types?

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There is no emphasis on online play! I myself am actually a primarily offline player. We are definitely planning extensive single-player with comprehensive, historical campaigns. There will be at least one campaign for each flyable aircraft in all stretch goals.

Originally Posted by heinkill View Post

4. The aircraft listed are the flyable aircraft?

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The B-17 and Me.262 are not flyable in the basic version.

Originally Posted by heinkill View Post

5. Are there any non flyable AI only aircraft planned alongside these?

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Yup.

Originally Posted by heinkill View Post

6. Usual questions about the flyable bombers - will the crew positions be mannable, will players be able to play a coop mission where they man different crew stations on the same aircraft?

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Flyable bombers only show up in stretch goals. We are planning everything you're asking for.

Originally Posted by heinkill View Post

7. I know you would be very wary of setting a target date, but as this sim builds on the existing DCS World platform, it can't be five years into the future...any hints on a target release date?

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Less than a year for the core game; a little more if we hit stretch goals.

Originally Posted by heinkill View Post

8. Do people who contribute to the kickstarter funding get any considerations regarding premium status eg early access to beta, access to special content, special status online etc

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Yes, yes, and yes. Depending on your contribution level you may even directly contribute to in-game content, such as paintschemes, pilot appearance, etc.

Originally Posted by Echo38 View Post

Hmm. That implies that one of the aircraft would be free ... else it would be "free to watch" rather than "free to play."

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There will be several flyable aircraft in the free version.

Originally Posted by Smurfy1967 View Post

I`ll put cash into this a:when it works straight out of the box and b:when it contains everything stated on the box, my memory is capable of remembering Pacific Fighters and CloD which was dumped on an unsuspecting community in a clearly un-finished state.

So Mr Shevchenko what assurances can you give the community that this new project isn`t going to be a dud????

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The reason we are doing a kickstarter is precisely this. I have never once in my career had enough time and money to develop the project as I wanted it. It was always a - "I need X dollars and Y months to build this." "OK, we'll give you 0.7X and Y-6 months, and if you don't do everything plus a few extra features, we're shutting you down."

I did not enjoy that, the team did not enjoy that, and the fans did not enjoy that.

I have absolutely no desire to go down that road again. I swore off flight sims altogether after the last fiasco. The fact that I am back means that I am hoping to turn a new page.

If you are asking for assurances though, of course I can't offer anything but words at this point. The initial release will be available free of charge though, so I really do not see what you have to lose when you try it out. Conversely, I see absolutely no reason to release a broken game for free, thus making no money initially and losing any chance of making any in the future.

Originally Posted by Python View Post

This is exciting news. Is this the end of Eagle Dynamics in house WW2 aircraft however? I was kind of hoping we'd at least get an Spitfire MK: 9 and an ME-109 to the same standard as the P51?

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We have a symbiotic relationship with ED. In any case, final quality check is on them, not us. You should know them well enough to rest assured that they won't allow anyone to besmirch the DCS name with an inferior product.

Edited September 1, 2013 by Silver_Dragon

**Angel101** · September 1, 2013

No entiendo una M....

DCS:world y DCS:WWII seran 2 cores separados... pero los modulos podran instalarse en cada core... ¿entonces porque separan cores? :girl_werewolf:

Silver_Dragon · September 1, 2013

Es el mismo core, pero con cambios cosmeticos (este seguirá siendo actualizado por ED). Simplemente para evitar el tipico "usamos aparatos fuera de epoca / volamos un aparato de la WW2 vs Sam y cazas modernos"

Edited September 1, 2013 by Silver_Dragon

**Angel101** · September 1, 2013

Pse, siempre he defendido que el evitar eso esta en la mano del que usa el editor de misiones.

Guitar · September 1, 2013

^{En tres palabras omg¡¡¡¡¡¡ a ver que sale, si solo es la mitad de bueno de lo que me imagino mi vida va a ser un orgasmo constante (no se por que me sale esta letra tan pequeña) AAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHJJJJJJJJJ¡¡¡ que gusto}

**Zaz0** · September 2, 2013

Siempre han dicho que DCS World era una plataforma multi-epoca, por que cambian ahora de actitud y sienten esa necesidad de separar epocas?

De todas formas, a mi esto de la WWII no me llama mucho la atencion, pero me alegro por a quien le llame, y espero completen un buen trabajo, aunque lo que si estoy seguro es que nos traeran muchos bugs fresquitos XD

Hellrequiem · September 2, 2013

Entonces NO servidor dedicado, o por lo menos en dos o tres semanas...

Silver_Dragon · September 2, 2013

Siempre han dicho que DCS World era una plataforma multi-epoca, por que cambian ahora de actitud y sienten esa necesidad de separar epocas?

Ya han dicho que todo lo que tengas en DCS:W normal y WW2 será intercambiable (P-51D y otros addons para WW2 y a la inversa), yo creo que ha sido la cuestión de no ir revueltos (Todo esta sujeto a cambio)

Guitar · September 2, 2013

Lo mejor de esta noticia, para los que no les gusten los molinillos, es que implica que vamos a tener mapas nuevos.

**RHK111** · September 2, 2013

Yo estoy esperando ya un proyecto de DCS StarWars con su mapa propio y a parte de todos los edificios y armamento del SW tenga tb un modulo de Battle Comander, lo digo muy seriamente porque da igual q tardarian 5 o 6 años en sacarlo, pero la diversion seria asegurada.

Lo de hacer un mapa de Europa del 1944 si es muy grande como actual DCS World pues esta bien, pero chupa mucho mucho tiempo asi q ya puestos me pido DCS SW.

Salu2

Silver_Dragon · September 2, 2013

Mas información por Luthier:

Originally Posted by Charly_Owl View Post

Please tell me that multiplayer will be included!.

Multiplayer is definitely included in the project! We have a lot of ideas, and we even have some old colleagues that have lots of experience making multiplayer great, but this is one area where we're not making any concrete promises.

After we did all the thinking and planned things out on paper, we realized we were looking at a huge project of its own. We can't afford to plug it into the core Kickstarter tier because it more than doubles the money we'll need. We don't want to risk not reaching even the initial goal because of this. The basic tier is supposed to be basic, after all.

We can only start rehiring old friends and programming and designing away once we hit larger stretch goals, but there's another problem there. This is an entirely new codebase for our old programmers, and multiplayer is extremely hard to program and test and perfect. This is the riskiest component of the entire project with both time and budget. If we make hard kickstarter promises about multiplayer, we run the risk of sinking the entire project by not meeting them on time.

So we're not going to promise anything now, or list any multiplayer features in kickstarter. If we hit larger stretch goals, we will work away on expanding and improving multiplayer, but there is a chance that a large comprehensive multiplayer update won't be ready in time for the initial DCS WWII release.

Originally Posted by lighthaze View Post

Just a pinch of crew management (think B-17 Flying Fortress) would be absolutely amazing.

We're trying not to go feature creep on this project. This is definitely something we've thought about, but at this time we're trying to go lean. (NdT: Se refiere al multicrew, algo que es cuestión de ED)

Originally Posted by SiThSpAwN View Post

So FM goes through inspector Yo-Yo?

Yup. (NdT: Yo-Yo en el desarrollo de los aparatos, me doy con un canto en los dientes)

Originally Posted by Chivas View Post

Good to cya back Luthier. Since this is going to be a European Campaign that could include B17's, is there any chance the map will be large enough that the bombers will be able to takeoff/RTB from Britain or France. If not how big a map do you plan to build, and what are your thoughts on expanding the map for a realistic bombing campaign at a later date? I'm not a huge fan of the current DCS terrain, but I'm hoping the new EDGE graphic engine will allow you to develop an immersive WW2 terrain.

Making terrain in EDGE is kind of an interesting process.

It takes almost no time to define things like shorelines and elevation. But then making that terrain look good takes a tremendous effort. There are areas with coarse detail and areas with very fine detail. For example, our Pointe du Hoc is virtually one-for-one with all the bunkers, trenches, cliffs, bomb craters, etc. Just that one little triangle took several weeks to make. Conversely, some random piece of coastline or an out of the way village are done in a few minutes. They look generic and if you were to compare them to the real thing, you'd see lots of differences.

Then there are areas that aren't hand-built at all. They are intended as a background, something you see far off on the horizon while you fly over a more important area. If you were to take the time to fly over there, you'd see a barren landscape that isn't intended to be seen up close. In other sims this would be the area beyond the map edge that was not done at all; in EDGE we just define it so looking towards the map edge looks good.

So, what I'm saying is, at this time we've only defined Normandy as hand-built. (NdT: Osea, tienen normandia hecha YA con EDGE, Lo que no dice es lo grande que es el RESTO del mapa)

Originally Posted by =4c=Nikola View Post

As you said the aircraft will be able to insert into DCS World, but what about map, AI vehicles, ships, aircraft...? Can we plug all that in DCS World and make true sandbox or there will be some limitations?

I'm not sure if this can be done manually. We only discussed module compatibility, i.e. cross-plugging things we ourselves make to be compatible.

Originally Posted by leafer View Post

My first wish would be to see RRG dump the icons that act as objects on the map, and come up with a way to allow players to visually see the objects as they are, intuitively manipulate its orientation and move it around to the exact location we want on the map in DCS WWII mission editor. ED ain't gonna let us do it in theirs, so please make this a possibility. It is really frustrating having to go back and forth between in-game and ME a dozens of times just to move the vehicles around on a farp.

We don't have a budget for a mission builder programmer or artist.

If any changes are made to the editors, they'd have to be done by ED.

Originally Posted by MadTommy View Post

It all sounds rather over ambitious to me. I'd love to see this be achieved in single year. But i won't be holding my breath.

Lots of experienced people from another sim coming together to work in parallel. (NdT: no hay que ser muy listo para pensar de que simulador esta hablando)

It's also somewhat easier to make things now with the P-51 and Dora already done. When P-51 was being done, most of the systems had to be written from scratch. With something like a Bf.109 now, we can use a lot of P-51 code which speeds things up by a huge factor.

Originally Posted by Geronimo989 View Post

Do you guys have the permission to use aircraft models and textures from Cliffs of Dover? That could bring us early WW2 scenarios faster.

Originally Posted by Suchacz View Post

Imho they already have something WIP from their previous projects in their drawers

Nope. Not only do we not have permission, we are absolutely not going to reuse a single asset from any old project. We know that we will be challenged on every single thing that looks remotely similar and have to prove to the current copyright owner that we made everything from scratch. (NdT: Para mi esto es patada en la boca y VENGANZA!!!)

Edited September 2, 2013 by Silver_Dragon

Silver_Dragon · September 2, 2013

Y esto sigue....

http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=1856209&postcount=821

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Originally Posted by HolyGrail_FxFactory View Post

" DCS WWII: Europe 1944 will boast an all-new EDGE landscape engine, as well as many new and updated features "

Oh , I thought they've said that WWII will feature a newer updated version of the game engine

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Game engine includes a lot more than landscape. It consists of multiple modules. GUI, vehicles, aircraft, weather, etc. We're just taking the old landscape module and swapping it out for EDGE, but the rest is all the same.

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Originally Posted by MadTommy View Post

Does RRG Studios have a website?

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Not at this time.

There is an unpleasant issue that has to do with using the name of the old game series I've worked on. Can't really have a site that says "well we worked on something, but we can't tell you the name of the project or show any screenshots."

We'll have something once kickstarter hits. It'll only be about DCS WWII and the future.

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Originally Posted by hegykc View Post

Since your team is a 3rd party developer, would it make DCS WWII world open for 4th party content?

If a team decides to make a study level plane, that's not on your list, would it be compatible with your world?

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Anything that's compatible with DCS is compatible with DCS WWII by definition.

There are a lot of people already making WWII stuff in addition to ourselves. We'll need some sort of a plan for sharing things with 4th parties to make sure there are no parallel developments on one hand, and things are getting done on the other.

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Originally Posted by Double_D View Post

Only Luthier1 hair dresser will know for sure...

I think now its best for him to fully explain..DCS/Luthier1 plans will be on it...

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Guys, can you please stop fighting about the separate installs?

It's one thing to discuss it with me. I'll be glad to answer questions or entertain ideas. But it's absolutely pointless to get riled up and argue with each other.

Think about this not from the point of you of today, but five years from now. DCS WWII has grown to include Pacific, Mediterranean, Korea, I don't know. DCS World has Nevada, a whole bunch of other maps, and a huge line-up of new aircraft.

The number of fans that own the entire product line will number in the single digits.

But if we were to keep everything as a single install, then the number of people that have to download and keep content they never use would be huge!

Edited September 2, 2013 by Silver_Dragon

overlord74 · September 2, 2013

Bien por la noticia, algo de roll en su sitio, pero no se yo en que acabara esto... :icon_mrgreen: pa larrrrrgoooo seguro! otro tanto como volar por algun pequeño desierto....

Silver_Dragon · September 2, 2013

Traducción horripilante (google translator) del foro ruso de ED con mas información de Luthier:

http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=1856185&postcount=12

Estoy lo siento chicos, me voy a mudar - divorcio, camiones, división de los bienes. En el nuevo sitio web no esté conectado, de manera que una complejidad comunicación. Responderemos a todos, pero con retrasos.

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