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DCS: WW2 Europe 1944

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a falta de 22 días para finalizar el plazo ya están al 62 % del capital necesario, creo que me voy a animar y voy a invertir mis 40 dolares !! ;-)

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Menuda desilusión cuando he visto que estos tios son los mismos que los del cliffs of Dover. Sinceramente no me fio de ellos como para darles pasta por nada, solo han sacado imágenes del p-51 y el Fw-190, asi que deduzco que no tienen nada hecho.........

todo sera añadir aviones y-o proyectos e ideas para sacar mas pasta, de ahi a los hechos hay un mundo, hay suficientes ejemplos para ello... vender ideas es, al parecer, mas facil que vender hechos ultimamente...

 

Si llegan al minimo en un añito a lo mejor podreis pilotar uno o dos "hechos"...con suerte o sin ella, y en beta claro... :icon_mrgreen: Con todo mi respeto con esas garantias es una apuesta a ciegas totalmente...como yo con la quiniela vamos... :whistling: y eso sin contar de que imagino que parte de desos cobros no se haran efectivos, la gente tiende a cambiar de opinion, en caliente ya se sabe...pero fijo que lo tienen en cuenta y piden mas hipoteca de la cuenta.

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En el peor de los casos, si has soltado 20$ tienes acceso al P-51 o al FW-190 de DCS. Si sueltas a partir de 40$ tienes acceso a los dos, con lo cual nunca te vas a ir con las manos vacIas. No hay que olvidar tampoco que es un proyecto en colaboración con los de The Fighter Collection, que han demostrado su buen hacer con el P-51. Cuántas empresas, quitando a los The Fighter Collection, están haciendo algo para DCS dentro de la WWII. De momento ninguna y no creo que se mueva nada. Estudios como los de A2A que tienen toda una colección de clásicos de la WWII para la FSX no se han dejado querer, y no creo que arriesguen nada porque están muy cómodos en un entorno que ya conocen de sobra, como es el FSX. Cuando apoyas una iniciativa como esta, la finalidad que le das a tu dinero es para que se consiga alcanzar ciertos sueños, ideas o proyectos, y por eso todos somos conscientes que los posibles retrasos que pudieran existir, que existirán, o las posibles variaciones que pudieran producirse, que se producirán, son relativamente menos importante. Al final queramos o no, esta cambiando la forma en la que se financian los estudios que se dedican a esto de la simulación.

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Nuevo update

 

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/508681281/dcs-wwii-europe-1944/posts

Hello everyone,

 

The update pace has slowed down, as I’m sure you’ve noticed. We’re scrambling to shift gears; we've had a whole campaign written out and put together. As the kickstarter got started we realized it was all wrong, since we were doing something for people new to flight sims, expecting an influx of people who have never flown a plane in their life. Now that we've realized that this project can only succeed if we work with the dedicated flight sim fans, we're redoing and scrapping everything to give you guys what you need. We know the clock is ticking, so it's not a pleasant feeling.
We’re working on a large comprehensive video about aircraft. The part that is taking too long is the aircraft footage. We’re working to have some videos of the FW.190D-9 flying and fighting showing the cockpit, but some of the gauges are not yet working so that’s causing some delays. We really hate releasing stuff that does not look great. We also cannot afford to become a screenshot-taking and video-making project, so this makes juggling priorities rather difficult.
I’ve literally worked around the clock to have it ready today, but now that I’ve slept on it, it just does not look impressive enough. I think I’d rather spend a few more days adding more footage and changing a couple of other things rather than release the most important video of the project that I myself am not happy with it, and go out with a whimper.
In the meantime, here’s what we’ve done with the terrain over the last week.
We did a few more tests, and made a PSP runway and a pseudo-airfield with some parked P-51s. Have an annoying problem where static P-51s have issues with a transparent canopy.
We’re pretty much done with various terrain tests, and we’re ready to move on and start building it properly. General to-do is as follows:
1. High-res textures and terrain "noise"
2. Color correction
3. Go through the list of high-detail areas and recreate terrain from period sources.
4. Create and place proper 3D objects (buildings, hangars, fortifications, etc)
Tasks 3 and 4 will last well into 2014, especially 3D objects, which will keep being created and added all the way up to beta.
The first two tasks are quicker, but they will also not finish by the time the KS campaign does. Color correction is especially important. I find it difficult to release screenshots with it not done, but whatever time we spend doing it now will be wasted. There are a lot of components that need to be corrected and tested together. Terrain textures, tree textures, and vegetation, are all stored in different areas, and the colors are also affected by distance. Just making sure that trees look good at all distances and aren’t all the same shade of green while at the same time not looking like a circus is a long painstaking process.
We won’t do it now because we’re still working in the terrain editor. The terrain editor is simplified not to contain the atmospheric model. That really affects the in-game colors. Atmosphere, obviously, adds hues to everything. With a 24-hour day-night cycle, this makes color correction a huge chore. Think of it as trying to balance 20 spinning plates while riding a unicycle. You get the distant trees all nice and murky at dawn, and some trees become purple when viewed up close at noon. That kind of thing.
So, a few more points about the current terrain:
Textures are low-res placeholders
PSP runway is a quick test to see how a huge number of tiny holes interact with the underlying terrain and grass. Not final!
P-51s are the same P-51s that currently fly in DCS World, but they’re not flying here. They are just parked. You will be strafing these helpless static objects, nothing else.
As you can see, their canopies are opaque. That’s temporary, and only a feature of the terrain editor. Obviously, they will have beautiful transparent canopies in the final game, just as they do in the P-51 currently flying in DCS World.
Thanks everyone! Stay tuned for the killer aircraft video.
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No es inglaterra lo que aparece en esas fotos, es un testeo en Normandia.

 

Almazi es uno de los creadores del terreno para WW2, se le pueden hacer preguntas posteando aqui


 

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Originally Posted by BabyJail View Post
The German army flooded fields to drown paratroopers and slow allied movements, this worked well. Will we see that in the game?
I consider it the second most important inland-terrain-aspect, besides the hedgerows!
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Yes, we plan it.

 

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Originally Posted by Sharpe View Post
How very much 'alive'(for lack of a better word) are you going to make the terrain?
For instance; I can imagine that if you're flying a ground attack mission the chances of finding something to shoot or throw bombs and fire rockets at would be somewhat larger in the area you've been briefed to attack. But After that mission is complete; then what? if you 've got fuel and ammo remaining, and you go looking for targets of opportunity, will you find them?
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Terrane is possibly the most lively. of course, you will see the results of other battles. but much will depend on the mission designer

 

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Good to know, thanks!
I have a question:
Can EDGE and the future terrain you are making replicate and/or maybe do just as good or even better(?) in terms of terrain level and detail quality at low altitude flying as this below:
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This question is too early to discuss. But we try to do everything best as possible

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venga, que solo faltan 4000$ y bajando...... ademas, alguien a pagado 2000$ y tiene el privilegio de poner su careto en el sim. :icon_mrgreen: estaría bueno que ahora, cuando se consiga el minimo, la gente se lance a burradas varias. :whistling:

 

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apuestas que desde los 99960 hasta los 105000, apenas pasan 5 minutos, cuando un monton de gente done 40 dólares a la vez para ser el primero en llegar a 100000 :icon_mrgreen:

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RRG da por conseguido el KickStarter y cambia otra vez los tramos:

Hello everyone,

 

We're almost there! We've almost reached the goal. That is amazing.
I think the backing pace slowed down a bit because everyone feels that the base goal is pretty much there, but the very next stretch goal is so far it's virtually unreachable.
We need smaller stretch goals, and we need to make them good. I've asked about this in the comments yesterday and received overwhelming support.
The thing is, after the base 100K we are hitting the no-internal-funding zone. Features begin to cost what they really cost. We need to raise a lot more money for individual line items. 150K seems like a very reasonable stretch goal to add, but we can hardly do anything for the extra 50K. Definitely not a map and definitely not a whole new plane. The only thing we can try to squeeze in for the 50K is a cockpit for the 262, and that's only because we are already doing the AI version.
So, the new stretch goals will be as follows:
100K: Base
150K: Flyable Me.262A-1 jet fighter
275K: Normandy map extended North to include Southern England (up to but without London)
425K: Flyable B-17
Moving the 262 up allows us to create an attractive stretch goal at the lowest cost possible of all. This pushes back the flyable B-17 by the same 50K, but I think it's worth it.
Please help us get there! If you've already backed the project, please consider increasing your pledge. If we all put together, everyone who pledged $40 or higher gets the Me.262 for free in the initial release!
And if you have not yet backed, please consider doing so. Even backing at the $1 level helps. That still gets us a little closer to our goals, and most importantly shows the overall level of support. This project is not just about the dollar amount, but about community support. The number of backers shown next to the project is extremely important! We're currently at 1,378 backers and $97,293. If we can get to 2,000 backers by the project's end, even if that means only adding a single dollar from these new backers, that is still going to be an amazing showing.
Please remember that backing at even the $1 level allows you access to backer-only updates, polls, and discussions. We will be interacting with the community a lot in the months between the end of the KS campaign and the initial release. We are currently discussing our 3rd party content development options internally. A decision will be reached next week as to the exact extents, but some level of involvement is virtually guaranteed. We will almost certainly do a backer-only something, perhaps an SDK, perhaps some other tools. So backing at even the $1 level will allow you to either get directly involved in modding and expanding the game, or just to access the internal updates on the progress.
Thank you everyone for your support and for your enthusiasm. Let's keep pushing forward!
PS Some of you noticed that the P-51s in the previous update had no weight with the gear struts fully extended. Everyone responsible has been dealt with. Struts have been compressed. Apologies extended.

 

 

Segun estas cifras podriamos decir:

Una cabina pilotable: 50K$

un mapa de ¿250 Km lado?: 125K$

Un bombardero de pistones: 150K$

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Enhorabuena a los que les guste las cafeteras. Eso sí, tendrán que esperar para poder acceder a lo que han pagado casi un año.

 

Tal vez ahora que oficialmente va haber fondos para realizar el proyecto se anime más gente.

 

Saludos

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Update DCS WWII: Europe 1944: Kickstarter

 

DCS WWII: Europe 1944: Kickstarter Video #4: Plane Talk
Update #6 · Sep 25, 2013 · 15 comments
Good evening gentlemen!
We're down to the wire! Just a few days left before this kickstarter ends.
I really hope we can energize the community enough not to just hit the 150K Me.262 stretch goal, but to get as close as we can to the 275K Southern England stretch goal!
We can do this in one of several ways.
We can find a large new community that has never heard of this project and get them excited. That's certainly very possible. We're getting virtually no exposure outside flight sim forums. If you know of a gaming resource that could be interested in our project, please help us out!
Secondly, we can get some extra help from existing backers. If you've backed at a $40 level, it may seem like you're already getting everything you want. If enough others come in and pledge, you'll get the Me.262 at no extra cost. However what if they don't? No one gets anything. We're getting into a very interesting field of psychology here, but basically we're in a situation where inaction gets everybody nothing, while a seemingly altruistic action benefits everyone, including the actor. In other words, if you can, please bump up your $40 pledge. If enough people do that, all $40 backers get the Me.262. In yet other other words, while on paper the price of the game with the included Me.262 is $40, in reality it is probably a bit more. The way things stand today, a $40 pledge may not actually buy the 262.
Lastly, we hope that some people who were on the fence about the project will be finally converted by today's video. If you have not yet backed the project but were watching it, please get involved! Even a $1 pledge is absolutely great. It still gets us a bit closer to our stretch goal, and, even more importantly, it increases our total number of backers. That, at this point in time, is at least as important a number as the dollar amount below it.
So, without further ado, here's a long extended conversation with Dmitry "Yo-Yo" Moskalenko, the lead aircraft programmer in DCS. He'll talk about the long evolution of the Eagle Dynamics flight model, and puts forward a great case for it being the best flight model on the market today. Yo-Yo created the P-51, our flagship prop-driven fighter simulation, and we're very fortunate to announce that not only will Dmitry be involved with and supervise and quality control all aircraft built by RRG, he will also personally work on our Spitfire Mk.IX, a project of a great personal interest to him.
Here's the video:

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Update 7 en camino:

 

Ilya Shevchenko about 12 hours ago
Hey folks,
Brace yourselves. The next video I release is going to be a much less hardcore look at the game, targeted towards more casual or new players. Still going to have a bunch of gameplay footage, maybe some EDGE, but generally nothing amazingly new.
Then I'll do a part two of the aircraft video talking about the modeling. There's a lot of intricacies there too. External models, cockpits, animations, damage, etc. Should be interesting, and I don't think a lot of developers usually talk about that.
Now, back to EDGE. Doing some color corrections. Maybe it'll look a lot prettier by tomorrow.

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Update 7 y entrevista de DCS: World WW2:
www.kickstarter.com/projects/508681281/dcs-wwii-europe-1944/posts

 

Good morning !
Brace yourselves. The video we're releasing now is a much less hardcore look at the game. Yet, it tries to answer some of the most important questions we have as flight simmers.
Why are there so few of us?
Why are millions of people playing other hardcore games, games with perhaps more of a learning curve than DCS P-51? Why are they willing to brave through hours of frustration, deaths, restarts, toxic multiplayer, and all of that for a payoff that, to me, is much less satisfying than watching your enemy go down after a dogfight?
The video has my thoughts.
Next, we'll do a part two of the aircraft video focusing on the modeling. There's a lot of intricacies there too. External models, cockpits, animations, damage, etc. Should be interesting, and I don't think a lot of developers usually talk about that.
And a quick update on EDGE. We've been doing some color corrections this week. Beginning to look a lot more like what we want. We'll have a few screenshots soon; just don't want to muddle up this update.
Here's the video:

 

Eight Days And Counting
Have you backed DCS WWII yet? While most of the stretch goals are looking distinctly pipedreamy at present, the $100,000 base hurdle has been cleared and the scent of hot Jumo turbojets is getting stronger with every passing day. Curious about the new Me 262 objective and a Kickstarter campaign that has jinked like a faulty Fritz X, I sent some searching questions Ilya Shevchenko’s way.
RPS: As the first major flight sim developer to use Kickstarter, do you have any advice for studios that decide to follow in your contrails?
Ilya: Launch a pre-kickstarter discussion with your fans about everything. We’ve done a couple of sharp turns during our kickstarter and changed our rewards and stretch goals, and we wish we could change even more.
You may think you know what your fans want, but they know it even better. We went the “vague hints and allusions followed by a major reveal” route, and that locked us in to some bad decisions. If you open up everything you have to the fans without being locked into anything by kickstarter, and dedicate a couple of weeks to a thorough discussion, you will be able to discover and correct a lot of completely unexpected shortcomings.
We had not done that and learned it the hard way. Our kickstarter campaign has definitely lost some money because we miscalculated on a lot of rewards. Our high-price rewards turned out to be too bland, while lower-tier rewards offered too many choices and ended up confusing people. Our stretch goals had to be revised twice. Even our overall marketing approach completely shifted about a week into the campaign. Had we identified and corrected this before launching, I’m sure we could have done even better.
RPS: Why was the Me 262 chosen as the focus for the new $150,000 stretch goal? Surely they saw relatively little action over Normandy?
Ilya: The project is not Normandy 1944, but rather Europe 1944. Normandy terrain is the first one we’re doing, but it’s not our primary or only focus. We want to have a generic plane set to recreate a variety of aerial battles that took place over Western Europe in that year, and the 262 is certainly a very good airplane for that.
With DCS, creating aircraft is a very expensive and time-consuming business. Even creating sub-variants of existing aircraft is extremely complicated. That is why we cannot make a plane set specifically tailored for any one historical battle. If we did that, moving on to Market Garden or Ardennes would require a huge effort. With a more generic set of planes, we can cover more ground.
However, the main reason for the Me.262 being the next immediate stretch goal is that we’re already doing half the work for it in the base tier. All aircraft in DCS contain three parts: the external model, the cockpit model, and the programming. A plane without a cockpit can still be flown by AI. That’s what the 262 will be in the initial release if we don’t hit any stretch goals: a troublesome enemy that makes defending bombers really challenging. Adding a cockpit to it and making it player controllable is not as big of a task as making an entire new plane from scratch. So, the Me.262 is the cheapest and the quickest new plane we can add to the base project, and therefore the most reachable stretch goal we can do.
RPS: The EDGE engine looks splendid. Do you think it’s going to make piloting easier… more naturalistic?
Ilya: Yes we do. There is something intangible about the feeling of flight you get from terrain. Objects of proper scale, various small details, grass, trees, all that background noise, proper colors, all create that subconscious feeling of being there. It also makes it possible to gauge your airspeed and altitude without glancing at your instrument cluster, another huge advantage.
It takes a tremendous effort to design and perfect, and it’s one of those things you never even notice when it works. It works on a subconscious level by adding various subtle clues that all add up to better immersion.
EDGE, to my knowledge, is the only flight sim terrain engine specifically designed for and tested by real pilots. Proper feeling of flight at all altitudes, realistic-looking airfields, all of that is designed precisely to feel as close to the real thing as possible.
RPS: If none of the stretch goals are reached will all Allied sorties start and finish in the air?
Ilya: No, of course not. Post D-Day the Allies built a huge number of temporary airfields all over the Normandy coast. That’s where the Allied players will be based.
RPS: Will hedge-hopping DCS WWII pilots need to worry about vegetation collisions?
Ilya: My long and painful experience with past projects forces me to add a warning here that all features are subject to change and so on and so forth. And, the answer is yes.
RPS: Do you foresee DCS WWII growing in a similar way to DCS: World? Might we, one day, see third-party aircraft from the likes of Belsimtek, and simple Combined Arms-style tank simming?
Ilya: We hope so. RRG is certainly not taking over the DCS WWII market. We fully understand the value of cooperation, and, as hard as that may be to believe, we care about fan experience more than about anything else. Happy fans equal series longevity. If we sit on DCS WWII by ourselves, we can only make a certain amount of content per year. We do not have the resources to expand the project into all theaters of WWII and cover even all the major aircraft, not to mention all the less important or obscure ones we really enjoyed having in our past projects.
A large 3rd party or even community-run effort to create aircraft, maps, ground objects, etc can and should turn DCS WWII into a comprehensive all-around flight sim that almost has more than any single fan would ever need. That’s our dream.
RPS: Creating single-player campaigns that are both involving and replayable seems to be something the flight sim industry isn’t especially good at these days. How are RRG and ED approaching the task?
Ilya: I’ve been doing flight sims for a very long time, and we’ve tried a whole bunch of things over the years. We’ve played with static campaigns; these allow for more immediate wow-factor, but virtually no replay value. We’ve played with dynamic campaigns. These offer nearly unlimited replay value in theory, but in reality begin to feel generic and empty rather quickly. Dynamic campaigns are also a lot more difficult and expensive to create. Bland cookie-cutter missions are perhaps a feature of a poor dynamic campaign engine, but we’ve never had the luxury to create a great big full-featured one. So we won’t try it in Europe 1944.
For now, our solution may not be perfect, but at least it’s novel.We plan to release regular content updates that include new missions and campaigns, some for free, and some for a small cost.
We also plan to work with our community. DCS ships with a powerful campaign and mission editor which allow anyone to create their own single- or multiplayer content. We’ve noticed with our past titles that the quality of some user-made content easily eclipses that of our own. We hope to engage the best of the community and actively promote their content through our official channels, making it available to a larger slice of our player base.
In short, we will have static campaigns. We’ll deal with replayability by consistently releasing new content.
RPS: Disappointed by the last major WW2 flight sim release, some potential backers seem to be hanging back. Do you have any words of reassurance for this group?
Ilya: If there’s one thing we learned from that is that we should not agree to make games cheaper and quicker than we feel we should.
The only reassurance I can add though is that we are making a free-to-play game. If the quality of the initial release is not stellar, we are all out of a job. No one wants that. The reason we’re doing this again, the reason I have my old colleagues back on board, is that we really do feel like we finally, perhaps for the first time in our flight sim development careers, have enough time and money to properly build and test a game.
Finally, we are working with Eagle Dynamics. We are putting their hallowed DCS name on our title. ED has industry-best reputation for quality. There is no reason for them at all to release an inferior product.
RPS: Viewed from the outside, creating high-fidelity light sims looks to be a pretty stressful and high-risk business. What aspects of the process do you find most enjoyable and satisfying?
Ilya: I like planes.
My enjoyment went through several distinct phases. If we’re going to get a bit sentimental here, well, why not.
The very first time I did something concrete was when we were alpha testing Oleg’s first flight sim way back in the year 2000. I remember sending a bunch of suggestions, then launching the next build and suddenly seeing my corrections right there in the game. Having tangible input on a project of that scale and quality just blew my mind.
I just surfed that rush for the next couple of years. My involvement with the project grew, and I ran a site that managed all 3rd party mods for the title, an effort that took more time than my full-time paying job. It completely devoured me, and I enjoyed every second of it. I just really enjoyed seeing the progression of an aircraft from a blueprint to a vague 3D shape to a beautiful textured model and finally to a roaring in-game war machine.
My role continued to expand and by around 2003 I was basically allowed to steer the ship. That gave me a new thrill. I realized that I was creating entire worlds. I could just point at some idea and say “let’s do this”. Then all these people were suddenly working to implement my vision. A few months later, my vague fantasy suddenly became something tangible, something that existed on its own. It’s such a complex emotion I’m having a hard time putting it into words. I felt like I controlled this huge complex machine whose final end-product was my own videogame! The four-year-old in me enjoyed it on one level, while the more grown-up me, I guess, enjoyed the intricacies and ups and downs of being able to put such a complex plan into motion.
Another huge factor, and perhaps the most important one for me, is simply working with friends. We’re a bunch of people who love the same thing, are obsessed with the same idea. We’ve known each other for over a decade. We work well together. We like each other. We have fun. A group of life-long friends who have been through thick and thin, all working together and doing something they truly love, that’s just extremely powerful. And like I said, I just really happen to love WWII aviation. If I had been doing the exact same thing I’m doing except my games were about elves or post-apocalyptic battle mechs, it wouldn’t have been the same.
RPS: Thank you for your time.

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Este video ha sido puro porno orgásmico para mi. Diréis y os quejaréis de lo que queráis, pero esta gente son los putos amos y el friki de la coleta el líder supremo de todos ellos. Ver las lineas de corriente enroscándose tras la hélice en tiempo real... los vellos de punta tengo hoygan.

 

Saludos!

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Es que el pavo este de la coleta ahora es mi nuevo Dios. Este vídeo es la ostia, cada vez me gusta mas DCS. Aunque solo hagan aviones civiles. Ademas por lo que se ve, parece que después de todo el "propwash" si está modelado ¿no?

 

Lastima de que a causa del "fracaso" del otro simulador haya tanta desconfianza sin sentido hacia este proyecto en todos los foros.... ese DCS: B17 hubiese molado mazo... pero esto no es Star Citizen supongo...

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