chapas Posted December 16, 2007 Report Share Posted December 16, 2007 A ver, que hay muchos frikies en el escuadron Estoy haciendo un video y necesito saber las respuestas a estas 2 preguntas (para la intro del video): -promedio de vida de un piloto de caza en la 2GM (o bien en misiones o bien en dias)... p.e. he leido que el promedio de vida de un caza eran 2 meses, pero no me acuerdo donde lo he leido -promedio de vida de un piloto de bombardero en la 2 GM (o bien en misiones o bien en dias)... A ver si me echais una mano con estas 2 tonterias, y puedo acabar el video bien pronto Grachie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamfry Posted December 16, 2007 Report Share Posted December 16, 2007 Especifica un poco... Bando Periodo de la guerra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDTang Posted December 16, 2007 Report Share Posted December 16, 2007 Yo escuché en un documental que en la Batalla de Inglaterra que la vida media de un piloto de caza inglaterrano eran 5 minutos. Aunque me parece excesivo. Un dato inventado, probablemente Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chapas Posted December 16, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 16, 2007 El video ira sobre Crimea 1942...os suena de algo? De todas formas busco algo más general, algo asi como (me invento las estadisticas): -El promedio de vida de un piloto de caza aliado era de 27 misiones -El promedio de vida de un tripulante de bombardero aliado era de 5 misiones No busco nada "especifico" (aunque si lo encontrais ya esta bien, ya sabeis bando aliado, crimea, septiembre 1942)... pero lo dicho, con un dato "generalizado" ya me vale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berron Posted December 17, 2007 Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 Aqui tienes una pequeña referencia, aunque habla de la esperanza media de vida de pilotos en combate: http://www.notoriousnkp.org/index.html Bombarderos 1 hora 46 minutos Cazas 19 minutos Pilotos de planeadores de transporte de tropas 17 segundos Como es logico, si a los pilotos de planeadores les pillaba el combate no solian durar mucho Saludetes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chapas Posted December 17, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 (edited) Gracias Berron, pero ahora si que me he quedado de piedra. Estaba convencido que tenian muchas mas esperanzas de vida un piloto de caza que la tripulacion de un bombardero... de hecho, creo haber leido en el libro de Patrick Bishop "Pilotos de caza", o en el de Rudel "Pilotos de Stuka", cierta anotación al respecto, ya que al principio de la guerra todo el mundo queria volar en las escuadrillas de caza (porque "molaba" más), y porque se calculaba que las tripulaciones de bombarderos morian antes. Pero he "reeleido" muy por encima los libros y no la he encontrado, la reseña. De hecho creo recordar (pero hablo de memoria) que comentaban algo asi como que la diferencia era de 5 a 1. Asi, que si nadie más me aporta ningún dato, tendré que tomar tu referencia, y por lo tanto editar el video. Pero ya te digo, he pasado toda mi vida pensando que la esperanza de vida de un piloto de caza era superior a la de un bombardero. De hecho recuerdo que al Memphis Belle, se le dio mucho bombo y platillo ya que las rotaciones de pilotos en la USAF eran a las 25 misiones, y no habia ninguna tripulacion de bombardero que llegase a dicho numero de rotaciones, en cambio algunos pilotos de caza si llegaban. Lo unico que se me ocurre para apoyar mi creencia con tus numeros, es que como hablan en minutos, se pueda explicar de la siguiente forma. Un piloto de la RAF despegaba de su aerodromo y estaba en combate a los 10 minutos. Un bombardero que tuviese que atacar Alemania tardaba horas solo en llegar a su objetivo, con lo que suponiendo que a ambos (bombardero y caza) los derribasen en la primera mision, daria la impresion que el indice de supervivencia del bombardero ha sido mayor, ya que ha estado varias horas en el aire. De todas formas busco algun dato "oficial" donde ponga el indice de supervivencia, y si es por misiones mejor que por tiempo. Tambien he encontrado una referencia que la "vida" media de un spitfire (hablo del avion, no del piloto), era de 2 meses desde que salia de la factoria hasta que acababa destruido. Alguien tiene alguna otra estadistica? Edited December 17, 2007 by chapas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Souto Posted December 17, 2007 Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 (edited) En libros no tengo nada...voy a verme los extras de los DVD de "La batalla de Inglaterra" y "Memphis Belle" a ver si hacen alguna referecia al tema. voy encontrando datos, edito este post ty los añado aqui Steve Houser He eventually received orders to go to England and be a part of the Eighth Air Force, 95th Bomb Group which was located in Horham, England. Houser was often lead pilot of large formations of B-17 Flying Fortresses in bombing missions over Germany. Some of the formations consisted of as many as 2,000 bombers flying at a time. With the unanimous vote of his nine member crew, they named his plane the "Stacie Special" after his new wife from Indian Trail. The crew wore leather jackets with "Stacie Special" printed on the back. Twenty bombing missions were the "magic" number to obtain, because one could go home after reaching that amount, so the pilots and crew looked forward to reaching that goal knowing that the prospects were not good if they continued. A US bomber pilot over Germany had a one in three chance of surviving a tour of duty. The life expectancy of a bomber crew was fifteen missions. (Source: Wings of Morning by Thomas Childers). Captain Houser led his crew on 35 missions and returned without losing a crew member. Once, a shell burst through the space between Houser and his co-pilot. One time he had to land his airplane on its belly since his landing gear was not working. Another B-17 in his group had three of its four engines shot out and the pilot told Houser to go on back without him. However, Houser slowed down, pulled in close to the ailing airplane and flew along side this crippled plane to England. Houser participated in the famed “Shuttle Bombing Mission” which involved many bombers flying a mission from England to Russia and back. For his bravery, Capt. Houser received many medals of honor, including the European Theater of Operations Medal with Four Stars, two Distinguished Flying Crosses, and two Air Medals with Four Clusters. Knowing that he had tempted fate enough, the now Major Houser returned to the United States and to Indian Trail. He resumed working as an educator, noting that education was one of the honorable professions that would allow him to serve others. The now Colonel Houser served as comander of the USAF Reserves om Charlotte. Edited December 17, 2007 by Souto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamfry Posted December 17, 2007 Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 (edited) He encontrado un par de datos sueltos: the life expectancy of a bomber crew was fifteen missions. (Source: Wings of Morning by Thomas Childers). the life expectancy of a World War ll bomber pilot is six weeks. aquí dice que 16 misiones. http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html...753C1A96E958260 http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/B-17 The Luftwaffe moved its best pilots fighters from the Eastern Front to defense of the homeland. Improved German radar, new airfields, and centralized ground control allowed groups of fighters to be quickly vectored into the predicted flight path of the Allied bombers. Luftwaffe ace Egon Mayer demonstrated the best way to attack was head-on ("Twelve O'Clock High!") because the very fast closing speed gave the B-17 gunners only a split second to aim, while the fighter pilot could aim his machine guns by pointing his entire aircraft at the bomber. The B-17 loss rate climbed from 3.5% per sortie in 1942 to 5% in early 1943. The B-17 was a robust plane able to withstand heavy punishment, but when 5% were lost in a single mission, the life expectancy per bomber was a mere 13 missions. The Luftwaffe was winning this war of attrition. New defensive techniques included forward-firing chin turrets, tighter formations of 18 planes, and deceptive diversionary attacks; they were not enough. Otro dato suelto: An RAF Mosquito pilot during WW2 had a life expectancy of THREE weeks. (Este lo encuentro algo exagerado...pero no sé) Edited December 17, 2007 by jamfry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chapas Posted December 17, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 Perfecto Jamfry... eso es mas o menos lo que buscaba Y la expectativa de vida de un piloto de caza de la luftwaffe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamfry Posted December 17, 2007 Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 (edited) Perfecto Jamfry... eso es mas o menos lo que buscaba Y la expectativa de vida de un piloto de caza de la luftwaffe? A ver... http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Why_did_the_Allies_win_World_War_2 In the latter stages of the war, the average life expectancy of the new German fighter pilot was only about two missions. http://journals.aol.co.uk/falkeeins/Luftwaffe/ a rough calculation shows that that the average life expectancy of a JG 300 pilot for the last year of the war amounted to just 11 hours of flying - barely four sorties..including check and ferry flights.." Edited December 17, 2007 by jamfry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDTang Posted December 17, 2007 Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 Bueno, en eso les superamos. Aquí la vida media es muchísimo inferior, por lo menos en dogs. incluyendo conexión, cachondeo, despegue y derribo, igual llegamos a los 15 minutos. Si hay que reiniciar mucho pues puede llegar a prolongarse a las 2 ó 3 horas, claro que en ese caso, puede que no haga falta no despegar :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chapas Posted December 17, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 Perfecto Jamfry... eso es mas o menos lo que buscaba Y la expectativa de vida de un piloto de caza de la luftwaffe? A ver... http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Why_did_the_Allies_win_World_War_2 In the latter stages of the war, the average life expectancy of the new German fighter pilot was only about two missions. http://journals.aol.co.uk/falkeeins/Luftwaffe/ a rough calculation shows that that the average life expectancy of a JG 300 pilot for the last year of the war amounted to just 11 hours of flying - barely four sorties..including check and ferry flights.." Estas no me valen... aqui se refieren a los ultimos compases de la guerra y en el ultimo año, con lo que la luftwaffe estaba mas que jodida... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nazgul Posted December 17, 2007 Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 Eso contando que Alvata esté echando la siesta y no se levante!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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